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yeah i also heard he entertained the idea, but only as a student of "world religion." i think i saw that on television. not that television is a reliable source.

let's be clear on this: there's no minimum or maximum track limit. 20 is just a good number to aim for and usually fills a CD. put on however much you'd like, just don't be lazy or stupid.

lawl, exactly. i don't really see the wes anderson connection, the lighting was different, and there wasn't an almost fetishist adherence to symmetry and the wide-angle lens. did you mean musically?

juno wasn't as good as people are claiming it to be. the soundtrack was downright annoying, and the writing seemed like it was trying too hard to be cool, especially in terms of the shoddy teenage dialogue at the beginning. like it was far too concerned with being different and unique than it was about character or story for that matter. the second half of the film makes up for all of that, though. i had an argument with eric and his woman about this, and didn't really know how to defend myself until my friend angelo posted a blog about his reading of the film and put it perfectly: so despite its numerous flaws, when juno isn't so concerned with being endearing or making appeals to the "indie" crowd, it rocks. i particularly enjoyed jennifer garner's performance, which is something i never thought i'd be saying.

ty meg. and yeah, around 20 tracks is a good goal. obviously if you put all 8 minute long epics, 20 is unreasonable, but do your best to put that many on there.

whatever you want. notsomainstream is preferable because you want to be exposing people to new things. but in the end, its whatever you think they might like. alright, so i've PMed everyone involved, informing all of you who you've been (randomly) assigned for this CD exchange. in addition to the names, i've also provided their shipping addresses. i think it's preferable to keep who you have a secret, and let it be a nice surprise for that person in their mailbox, but you can do whatever you'd like. i'm hoping we can have these CDs done and sent out in a month. if that's too unrealistic, let me know. does february 15th sound okay? i've made a deadline so that ideally, everyone will receive their CDs roughly around the same time, although shiri and her partner will probably be exceptions. when you've sent your CD, PM me or post that you've done so in this thread. it makes keeping track of all this bunkam much easier. when you receive a CD, post a review of it here. talk about what you liked, what you didnt... etc. post pictures if you think the case is designed particularly well or something and that sort of thing. also, you can take that opportunity to thank the person who sent you your new CD!!! i think that covers everything. if you've any questions, you know who to ask.

woot. that was slow, but im going to compile pairs then. should be up tonight.

no, but you can find it on the benaroya hall release of theirs. just as good and probably a better recording of it, save for someone's minor fuckup on guitar near the end.

dan, yes. and yes, anoceanpearl you did. sorry. i had you mixed up with audiofbeing. anoceanpearl is also contributing!

yeah that's the idea. so here's the list of contributors (who have sent me their address): me soundless space designate spring 90 (do you still exist?) eric meg sodamntired captain rocket

yeah, i wanted this to be different than just... a variation of shade's album upload topic. no offence to it, but i really don't think i downloaded half the stuff that was uploaded there. and nothing against playlists, but there isn't a lot of room for creativity... i wanted something we could all do, contribute to, and make our own. at the moment, the plan is to only send one mix out to one person... so i dont think it'll get that pricey.

so no one wants to send it out via mail anymore?

yeah, ive just been busy with starting school and whatnot. i was hoping to have it organized by the end of the week.

again, your logic amazes me. i think you're missing the point of this discussion completely. quit using happenstantial, rhetorical situations as some sort of proof for your argument (i.e. "who WANTS to get arrested" or "can you imagine..."), those are questions no one here can answer, nor are they really questions which direct us to a solution. furthermore, personal experience can't act as any kind of proof. how can i prove a personal experience of yours wrong? and just because i can't prove it wrong, doesn't necessarily make it right, either; the exception does not become the rule. moreover, how do i know that what you're saying is what actually happened? you'll have just as hard a time as proving that event took place as you are with trying to prove to me why tasers are a necessary tool for law enforcement. so your solution to this is possession of a taser? i'm aware that one of the many "weapons" that police use in a not-so-subtle fashion is fear; police presence is one of many methods of crime-prevention that is employed, and successfully so, by law-enforcement. well, relatively successfully. successful enough that they continue to use this method. even if police are doing absolutely nothing, they must appear to be. a textbook example of this would be the "blue tide" who walk through the streets of east-hastings in vancouver to discourage drug use in the area which is well known (at least in canada) for it. but prevention isn't everything. these methods do not deter every individual from breaking the law. as soon as that blue tide breaks, people go right back to what they were doing before the police made their walk through those sidewalks and alleyways. what i dont understand is how you think a taser will increase fear of a police officer? if you're determined that these tasers work preventively, then what is it about a taser that appeals to an individual's fear where a gun does not? according to your logic, you claim the majority of people fear the more extreme of the two examples you've given: the cop versus the security guard, as the cop has more authority and power; there are more consequences for not listening to a cop. what goes in accordance with what you're saying, but what essentially contradicts your defence of tasers, is the idea that a gun is more likely to kill someone than a taser, an idea which proponents of tasers fully support. in those terms then, the taser is a "lesser" weapon, less likely to actually be effective in preventing anything in the mind of an offender. my argument is that although a gun is more likely to kill someone, that should not suddenly be support for the use of a taser. the taser has been used primarily as a method to detain individuals before a situation escalates, however, as we've seen, it's been doing far more than simply detaining those it has been used on. what then, are the justifications for its use? the taser should be studied more before it is used on a large scale out in the public. more tests need to be done, especially in terms of the long term effects the weapon has on individuals. although there are a certain number of shots advised to be administered to the offender, how many are actually being used? such a weapon needs to be understood fully before i would ever consent to its use.

animal years is good. i don't much fancy the new album.

no, it isn't. because again, as you and i've stated, tasers are not preventative in the least, and as i firmly believe, nor are they an adequate method for detaining an individual. as has been demonstrated this past year, clearly police officers do not know how to wield this weapon, so why should they? please, enlighten me as to what benefit they serve in the field of law enforcement. if the weapon and the shock it administers far more harmful to the offender than it needs to be, if lives are being lost, then these weapons are clearly not being used for the right purposes, or being taught effectively. they're supposed to aid officers in detaining an offender, not risk the health of someone before they even have an opportunity at defending themselves in the proper court of law.

i agree. resisting arrest is stupid. very stupid, but people do it anyways. however, the idea that "resistance is pointless and only makes things worse for people," does not factor into the thinking process at all for a good number of people who commit crimes, and i think that's where your argument is flawed. if the awareness of consequences, for instance, incarceration, doesn't already deter individuals from breaking the law, then how do you expect the ball to be in the person's court? i understand a person is responsible for their actions, but how does that responsibility then translate to automatically accepting whatever consequences there are for their actions? we're discussing whether or not tasers should be allowed and so far your only justification for them has been because they're the end result of a situation which is ultimately at the hands of the offender. tasers do not act as a preventative form of deterrence, just like i've explained that jails don't act as a deterrence either. so the only use for the taser at that point is as a weapon, not a method of prevention, not a method for deterrence.

that is the most ludicrous support for the use of tasers that i've read so far. with that sort of "you're just doing it to yourself" kind of logic, i'm sure you could support any number of detainment methods, humane or inhumane. at the same time, you're essentially giving carte blanche to these police officers just because they're supposed to be protecting you. does their role in society suddenly mean that somehow they have better judgement than you do? no, not at all. "keep in mind before they make that decision that maybe they're taking such a chance." you could say that about any sort of crime. if what you're saying is true, then punishment would actually be a deterrent and there would be very low recidivism rates in north america. if everyone took the time out to remind themselves of what crime they were about to commit and what the penalties were, or were even capable of doing so, there would be very little crime at all. few people are capable of thinking in those terms, and even if they were, i don't think that death is an appropriate form of deterrence that people should just accept. there should be some sort of sliding scale for taser use. they shouldn't be just deployed on a drunk. or just get rid of them all together...

keira-anne's flickr she's purdy.

i dont understand why people dont just shop online on boxing day. my parents dragged me through best buy the day AFTER and it was still ridiculous.

true enough. hyphnip's avatar reminds me of lite brite.

yeah because no 16 year old before her has ever gotten pregnant. i'm totally shocked. and to the rest of you, i don't think you can loosely connect her pregnancy to her being "trailer trash."

i only listen to air supply.

i don't really see how they sound like nick cave and the bad seeds... any album in particular?

30gig zen. so everything. but lately ive been listening to: converge roisin murphy spoon st. vincent the national the dillinger escape plan david bowie EDIT: dan i like that you've got both converge and the veronicas on yours, hahaha. nice mix.