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seriously, this is what happens when you mix sulfuric acid and sugar:

As long as it's the not-permanent kind, because I have to look remotely acceptable in a military armoury once a week.

EDIT: Sulfuric acids my glucose.

We can go together. Hold hands. Tell each other we've never felt happiness like this.

Oh boy I get to be super sexy! SPOILER (Highlight to View) Well, that just robbed some of the mystique of the movie. Although I'm relatively uncertain as to how they got together in the first place. They meet on the beach almost get it on in that house, go their separate ways, and... they're in a relationship sooner or later, although it seems the way they are portrayed meeting on the train and then having that night on the Charles river happens both times. The second time around they find out that they have some sort of history and then everything gets all cheesy

SPOILER (Highlight to View) It took me like 2 or 3 views to make full sense of that movie. And it still confuses me. It's like a giant feedback loop! When do they REALLY meet for the first time? Which parts of the movie are from their "first" relationship, which one is from the second, and do they just keep on existing in constant loops of meeting, falling in love, being together, breaking up, getting the head-erasing thing ad infinitum?

Seriously propanolol sounds like propanol on laughing gas. You know, Anton, you have a point. I get on this drug and suddenly our topsy turvy relationship don't seem so bad no more.

I believe they call those roofies.

Things being unexciting never stopped me before.

Oh god no. I'll stick with the cubans solely because they're illegal for americanos.

Never had one. Wouldn't mind giving them a try ifyouknowwhatimean.

Look up corona on an anatomical chart. Fun ties.

You're totally in mine.

What size is it? Robusto?

Likewise, buddy.

Close but no cigar. ha ha, cigar.

You know who you remind me of, Shade? The people who, shortly after Matthew Good's divorce due to his wife being a golddigging whore, immediately reacted with "I can't wait to hear what interesting music will come out of this." It's pretty depressing that it took five pages for someone to agree that there are certain experiences whose memories don't serve any lesson-learning purposes, even when it comes to such extremes as rape. The only thing I hear coming out of you is armchair assertions and baseless justifications. I tried to use examples and you called them sob cases I was using as so-called support. Owen is a psychology student and has some knowledge relevant to the discussion, you called him condescending and pompous. What have you done? You've done nothing but assert that no matter what happens to anyone, it's easy enough to will their way past it with happy thoughts, learn a lesson or two and become a better person because of it. That's a patently ridiculous assertion without any evidence to accompany it. You've even flat-out said that being a victim of paedophilia isn't so bad because it makes you a better person. I fucking dare you to say that to a paedophilia victim in person. I'd like to hear it. "So you were raped by an elder trusted by the entire community and were forced to be quiet about it? Boo fucking hoo, shit happens to every one. Whatever doesn't kill you makes them stronger."

No, you're going to have to explain what I'm being blind to.

Thank god for you, Owen. Probably the only one here with any relevant education on the subject.

Again; more words in my mouth. Read my god damned posts, would you? Because from the way you're talking you clearly aren't. EDIT: And considering this thread was started by a link to, you guessed it, a drug, I think it most certainly was the original argument.

... are you being sarcastic? Which reminds me; God forbid I actually use examples to support my argument. Open my eyes to what? You could at least have the decency to explicate. I have a clear point here: there are cases where traumatic (and the specific terms of that use have been previously defined) experiences emotionally cripple people. This is not the kind of traumatic experience that the average person goes through. I'm talking about military and police types who see extremely gruesome events on the job, people who see their family/friends mangled to bits in a car crash, etc, that lead to things like PTSD and flashbacks that physically prevent a person from functioning normally. You'd have to have a screw loose to suggest that therapy wouldn't help them recover. It has been shown that a combination of pyschiatrist appointments and a drug regimen is the most effective form of therapy; a drug regimen on its own is actually superior to psychiatrist appointments on their own. Why should these people be denied medical treatment for a medical condition that is caused by fucked up brain chemistry?

Go read my above post and try again. There is a god damned difference between your high school sweetheart getting gangbanged by the football team and having Father O'Brannigan cornhole you.

I'm using traumatic in the sense of what type of memories the drug is aiming at; high-adrenaline, dangerous, and occuring within a more or less distinct time frame. Obviously I can't relate to what happened to you. But I don't think that yours is the type of memory that the drug is going to work on. Where your memory involves emotional trauma (for lack of a less pompous way to name it), the examples I've been using involve physical trauma and physical danger as well, and in the military examples, fear of losing your life. The latter is the type that it seems the drug is going to target, and the type where I support the principle of using the drug as a type of therapy to help the individual get back on a proper mental footing. The type of memories you're talking about won't be targeted by the drug. To me they're analagous to losing a boyfriend or girlfriend (although by no means the same). I agree that kind of shit can lead to a person becoming better. But there should be no comparison between your type of memory and the memories that the drug is capable of targeting, as I've outlined above: they involve physical trauma, physical danger and life-threatening situations. Their effect on a person's psyche is far more profound and much longer lasting. It's safe to say that very few to none of us have either the education or firsthand experience to properly judge what goes on. Saying "toughen up, get over it and learn a lesson from it" to someone whose wife has left them is profoundly different from saying the same thing to a rape victim or PTSD sufferer or paedophilia victim.

Well now you've ceased to frame arguments and started putting words in my mouth.

Where the fuck did you get that from? I'm saying that your line of "there is a lesson to be learned from everything" sounds to me as nothing more than disingenuous bullshit. And since the law of averages are such that very few of us have experienced the type of extremely traumatic event that this drug is designed to help mitigate, saying "Car crash / paedophilia victim just needs to get over it" or "War veteran haunted by sight of his friends dying needs to get over it" is nothing but pure armchair psychology.