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Oops, sorry Erik - didn't mean to call you a socialist. haha... my bad. I agree with most of what you said - I don't agree, however, with 2 points: 1) University should be free. No it shouldn't... look at how much is already invested into post-secondary education. I'm not sure of the facts, but it's something crazy like 80-90% of your education is already funded by taxpayers... coming up with $4500/year isn't that hard when you work HARD for it, and not have a sense of entitlement to yourself. If University were free, you'd see more people on campus with the same attitude that rich kids have nowadays, and there would be no appreciation for the search for knowledge. Drop-out rates would be as high as high school (at least in Ontario) and higher education would just lose its value - it's even happening now, as a post-secondary degree is the minimum for alot of jobs now, and a masters is "the new college degree". 2) Universities open peoples minds to new ideas. I agree with that to a point... but not really. Let me ask you this: how many of your profs would you consider liberals/marxists/anarchists, vs conservatives/capitalists/etc? After 4 1/2 years at U of O, I can safely say that every prof I had in poli-sci hated George Bush, taught a curriculum that bad-mouthed American foreign policy, free trade, and any type of foreign aid, and was unwilling to have an open discussion about "the right" in Canadian/world politics, without belittling the ideologies that were different to their own. The fact is they were/are teaching liberalism to everyone at the school without giving conservatism and the other viewpoints a fair shake. I've had one prof in my life who's openly admitted that his department was liberal-biased (he was himself, but tried to teach more equally), and there is no desire for change. How is that a fair and balanced approach to education? P.S. Great discussion - I like how it's staying on topic and open-minded!

ecnarf - the reason engineering students pay more for tuition (I think about $800-900 more a year, in comparison with some of my friends) is because of lab times, materials, computer use, etc. Social sciences and humanities pay less because we don't need that stuff - instead we get stuck buying expensive coursepacks, and most of our work is based upon research done in the library/on electronic journals. I just graduated with a B. Soc. Sci, and yeah I heard it from engineering students... but I lived with one last year, and we both worked the same: I was up til 6am writing a 20 page paper, he was up til 6am working out equations and chemistry stuff. Who cares what anyone else thinks... if you work your ass off for 4 years, be proud of yourself. P.S. If an engineering student says "oooo look at the little history bitch" to anyone on here, ask him how many hot chicks are in his engineering program... and they'll shut up.

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I watched the news at lunchtime the other day here in Ottawa - the worst was the guy who came on and immediately blamed the school system for not noticing a problem youth (I didn't know he was in school) and then went on to blame VIDEO GAMES for inciting this violence.

Erik - I find it funny that a socialist like yourself (I guess I'm assuming that - clarify your stance?) even supports Universities, as they have become nothing but job factories for capitalism nowadays. I also disagree with this: "That said, I think a more just society would allow, especially those who say have an 80% average to get free education". University in its original form was meant to be a forum for insightful and thoughtful discussion and research - by giving grades, we are doing nothing but demeaning this. Having been through 4 years of a social science program at U of O, I can safely say that any test I ever took, and any paper I ever wrote, was written with the aim of pleasing the professor. In such, every word I ever wrote was what the professor wanted to hear. Grades are just a way of having a large group of students regurgitate one man or woman's view on the particular subject. How is rewarding only those who do that the best (i.e. achieve over 80%) productive from a quest-for-knowledge standpoint? To me, that just helps contribute to the big capitalist machine. Edit: P.S. Adam - Totally agree on the booze comment... Drinking every weekend in University was pretty costly. I know some people who spent their OSAP just on booze

Here, here! haha... that was awesome - I agree 100%.

hey ryan that's awesome - i only have a ps2 but i bet it kicks ass as well - that's why i always buy em!!! damn now i want to hit up future shop

I think most people on this board are Canadian...and therefore love hockey. I've been buying the EA sports line of NHL games since I was in grade 3, but I don't think I have the money to get NHL07 quite yet.... has anyone out there played and/or bought it? It releases today... PS2 version is 39.99 at futureshop. Reviews/Comments/Opinions welcomed. Discuss.

Erik - I guess I can understand that... but I think $9/hour and 16 hour weeks are the exception. I've never had a friend working that little all summer, and if they are, they take a different job. On a related note, I think student debt is more associated to the unbelievable spending habits of youths, and not a problem of having to pay $4500 for tuition every year. I always hear of people going on crazy trips to Europe for 1-2 months... then when I ask how they are paying for it, they say "enh, i've got a line of credit... you only live once".

I never understood how the average student debt after 4 years is around $32,000. How the hell does that happen? If you have a summer job, let's say you make $9/hour (probably a decent average...alot of people I know make more than that in the summer). That's about $5500 for 15-16 weeks of work. Couple that with the $8000 people are apparently spending each year, that's $13500 a year. Now, if your expenses are that high, you get a part time job... doesn't have to be anything special, maybe 10-15 hours a week just to cover your food and bills, maybe even pay your rent instead... Even if your family is dirt poor (and that is rare with kids in universities now), they contribute to your education. And unless you come from a small town where there is no university within 100km, you should be staying in your hometown to go to school, unless you have a highly specialized program. Sorry, I just don't get all this massive student debt stuff... if someone can tell me how they go $32000 into debt after 4 years (that's just an average too, I bet people go alot higher than that) I'm willing to soften my stance.... if not, a massive chunk of your education is already paid by the taxpayer, so quit whining.

I didn't know this movie was out yet - it looks sweet. Now if only I had some money...

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Cheap. Shot. Ottawa... I've had a couple interviews at the Senate, but both cases the job went to someone with Senate experience. I hate that - u need experience for a job, but you can't get a job without experience...

I'm a poli-sci student - hire me! haha. I don't want to be a sandwich artist in a month

Hey Ben where are you working? I re-worked my resume 4 weeks ago, so hopefully it doesn't suck.

Is anyone else in the same position as me? I've been done University for 2 1/2 weeks now, and I'm finding out that getting a job is alot harder than it seems, even WITH a university degree. I spend 2 hours every morning doing job-related stuff...and posting on here.

I just rolled about $60 worth of spare change and I want to turn it into bills... can I go to any bank to do that, or do I have to go to my own branch?

I dunno man, I'd nail her... unless she did in fact have a penis, and even then, i probably still would.

"You fucked up man... you know your ass is doomed"

No beer and no TV make Homer something-something. I still watch it - it's on everyday at 5 on CBC... what's the alternative - Dr Phil? P.S. What's with everyone ragging on Family Guy since it came back - I can't see a difference between now and then. Can someone explain it to me?

They have a new single out called "In view" from "World Container" (comes out October 17th)... go to www.thehip.com to give it a listen. I kinda like it... I think I need to hear the rest of the album to make a judgment yet. What do you all think?

Anyone know how it's doing box office-wise now?

Let's rename this thread "Spiderman vs. Batman". Spiderman is cooler because he has real mutant abilities - Batman is just a regular guy with cool toys. Both kick ass, regardless.

It's Mel Gibson. "Good one"

Is there a number for Canadians?