heyrabbit

that's cause you view the world through american eyes

he's a whale of a guy

egg disguised as a penguin, u dont fool me. don't think you're not gonna get your ass eaten. mmm delicious

his dog takes HIM for a walk ;)

his cousin stoled ma bike

NERD fight. ;) engage photon beam (flash-light) weeeooo vvrrrshmm waooh I like these topics, I don't know much about physics. someone should make a physics question/answer thread

5-10 you're doin the west siiide sign wrong

has psychic ability, prolly, maybe. well she is a chick and psycho

what?! Zack is coming back for a show?! if that's true it'll make everyone realize how lame audioslave is in comparison

people who don't vote should have to forgeit their vote to others, and we'll get to vote twice

pyramid head didn't make you hot for some bdsm?

brilliant writing. I like how they manage keep it moving without making it boring like most action/adventure trash. They make the viewer actually give a shit when something explodes. great characters, great stories, good acting, great production They're bringing in jack's brother and dad, but who will the love interest be, graham's wife?

I like how they'll hire anyone to play middle eastern terrorists because americans can't tell the difference. mujamder is indian. they've probably hired a bunch of mexicans/italians/blacks to play middle-eastern terrorists and nobody can tell. Also, they're always really white-looking. you never see the guy with the hardcore muslim beard, granted they're supposed to be in disguise, but still! As long as they're mulatto and look evil, it's all good

when 24 season 6 started i realized how much I missed shows where, you know, stuff happens. I can't wait for the newly revealed questions/cliffhangers a

quoting supercanuk:

To say that they accept different parts of the bible implies that they don't accept other parts, and hence overlooking inconsistencies. As I said before, the old and new testaments don't just contradict each other, they contradict themselves. Chapters condradict themselves and I'm sure there are even verses that contradict themselves. Again, who said that the hateful violent acts in the bible were backwards? That's your subjective, biased opinion. Both the old and new testaments claim perfection. If they're perfect then there should be nothing to emphasize but the entire word, not the words that aren't "backwards" by your self-serving standards. And if the bible isn't perfect then we've discovered one pretty huge lie. By the way, Jesus is the most evil character in all of fiction. He was a homocidal, genocidal, megalomaniacal, perverted rapist. Jesus loved everyone -- except for anyone and everyone who didn't believe in him, fags, women, anyone who worked on the Sabbath. So if you're saying that it's unchristian to be a loving, accepting, violent, intolerant, judgemental asshole - all at the same time - then you're wrong; That's precisely what jesus supposedly was. Fundies may be radical in their bigoted views but for the most part they are generally kind people in most aspects. Infact, they're more tolerant than jesus supposedly was. So if you think leaning towards unequivocal tolerance makes you a better christian, you're wrong. jesus wasn't tolerant. And aren't christians supposed attempt to live their life as jesus did? This was Jesus' solution for people who didn't agree with him. supercanuk alluded to the First Commandment. 1st commandment: "thou shalt have no other gods before me" Deut 17:2 "If there is any man or woman among you, in any of the towns which the Lord your God gives you, who does evil in the eyes of the Lord your God, sinning against his agreement... 17:5 ... Then you are to take the man or woman who has done the evil to the public place of your town, and they are to be stoned with stones till they are dead. Deut 17 says that if a town doesn't believe in god we should pile all their stuff in the middle of the street, burn it, then kill all the inhabitants. Well if you trust wikipedia and the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics - I'm guessing your source is the same as mine - around 95% are Israelis were religious in 2004. Around 75% of the population were Jewish by religion, not ethnicity. Anyone who claims to be secular aswell as religious is a pretentious hyprocrite, i.e. all relious people. Forget the fact that secular-jew is an oxymoron -- none of these statistics negate my argument in any way. So if you're trying to downplay the religious influence in politics, and the disgustingly obvious influence it has on the border conflict, you've really got to ignore the truth to achieve this.Ironically, this is required of religion in order to ensure its survival. First you don't think the world will get any safer, now you're saying that it's impossible for the world to become safer? How about having conviction in critical thought, reasonable courses of action that won't harm us based on bronze age superstition, and you know, thinking? "You might aswell have conviction in faith because it's pointless to have conviction in anything else". THAT's the message that the church conveys. Conviction in anything other than god is futile. That's simply not true. It's that sort of defeatist, masochistic, maladaptive attitude that's retarding the progress of civilization. He's delusional, not just cause of his belief in his divine mission, but because his overall belief itself. He is religious; that's not a debate. You're arguing that Bush only pretends to be religious in order to manipulate the electorate? That's a new conspiracy to add to the rest. I dont even think you believe that Bush is that smart. The only debate is whether or not his delusion affects his ability to be a responsible, effective leader. If 95% of the U.S. was atheistic, Bush wouldn't have been elected in the first place. That's the whole point. Now you're just debating this for no other reason than it's the antithesis of my argument. Disbelief in god breeds extremism? That doesn't make any sense. You can't blame a negative for a positive; you can't blame a negative or non-action of one person for a positive action from another. That's like saying that because the Poland submitted to Germany that it was their fault they were invaded. That's like blaming,I don't know, vegetarianism for heart disease. Atheism is 2nd predication as I've said before, it's true about what we're not, not about what we are. It's a non-description. Despite popular belief, atheism is not a religion - yes, many people actually believe this- and it's not a cause or a movement. It's interesting that you mention this because people who respond violently to reason usually turn out to be insane or mentally deranged. Provocation is a defense in court but it requires the belief that the defendant is actually temporarily insane at the time of the offense. Even if you think that something like communism is responsible for an uprise in religious conviction, you should blame the actions of communists, it has nothing to do with atheism and everything to do with communism. Religious faith must exist before it can react to anything. If you actually believe that atheism causes extremism, what you're actually implying is that belief in god reduces extremism and I don't think you actually believe that. The only enemy of religion is thought.

obviously no. Half the people who motivate themselves to vote are uninformed. I don't want people voting who don't have an opinion. You'd be surprised at the amount of people who vote based entirely on looks, and the stigma surrounding the name of the candidate because because that's all they know! Last federal election when I was lining up to vote, I asked a bunch of people while in line who they were voting for. "Liberal. liberal liberal.libreal liberal". I asked them why they were voting liberal and they all said "I dunno". Fuckin idiots, lining up like drones to vote based on labels. the last thing we need is more unmotivated, uninformed voters. I'm in the most liberal riding in all of Canada, but atleast you can't blame me for Dalton Mcgimpy

Fair enough, but they're ironically close to religion and equally oppressive. I don't like to say, "oh, allforms of extremism is bad" because that's what an apologist would say and I don't even know that that's true. What if people decided to be extremely sensible? That would be pretty extreme in politics today. The whole purpose of this thread was to get the point across that extremists are not the only dangerous idiots. So I won't pass blame off to the extremists. I'm specifically targetting and critisizing religious moderates because their cultures inhabit breed and enable extremists. The whole purpose of this thread is to get that point across. It appears to me as though you're passing off the significance of the old testament. When I put it to you that I don't understand how anyone can reconcile the contradiction of god being omiscient and a homophobe, I get ambiguous answers like, " one just regards it in a different fashion" and " they just look at in a different enough way". I don't know what this means. Please elaborate on this. You either accept the bible as being true, partially true, not true at all or you're skeptical of the entire thing. If one believes that some parts are more true than others, what are their reasons for that? There's just no consistency in Christianity or any other religoin. My opinion stands that fundamentalists can be truer Christians than moderates. They accept atleast some of the absurdities in the bible whereas moderates tend to only accept that which suits them. And again, that's very indicative of how their faith operates. Here's a few random bullshit verses in the new testament. Homophobia: Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Romans 1:31-32 "Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Christians can't be freethinkers: 2nd Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; Why? Respond the points I made if you would. I didn't say that christians should totally follow the old and new testaments, but if they aren't going to do so I want to know why. They aren't being consistent in any way, shape or form. It's not just a matter of the old and new testament contradicting each other. Both books contradicts themselves. You have no way of knowing whether or not a world without religion would be a better place to live. I suspect that that's true, but I don't have any evidence just as you don't. I do, however, have every reason to believe that religion upsets society. There's nothing complicated or confusing about the fight between the Palestinians and the Israelis. They are fighting over "holy land"; they'll tell you that themselves. There's no real discernible difference between saying you're fighting over holy land or Jack's beanstalk. The fighting doesn't have to happen, but their faith requires it. You said it yourself that people use religion as an excuse. The point is that there is no excuse more compelling than to do something in the name of the all-powerful, all-loving, perfect father of the existence. Religious doctrine itself is not what's dangerous, its religious faith that has to be feared -- the unshakable conviction that you know what's right because God told you. Of course Bush can't use religion as his public justification for war... The public would have his head. it very well could be that his faith - if not a slight influence on his decisions- could be his entire motivation and justification for war. He believes he has a divine mission, that god wanted him to be president. You can't tell me that his mindset wouldn't drastically different if he weren't completely and utterly delusional. Of course there are secular motivations for war. But religions teach faith as a virtue (belief without evidence is okay) and this very easily influences "secular" governments. The tribalist, unthinking attitude that religions exhibit and require is the exact same phenomenon that's found in Communism, fascism etc. Religion completely restricts the progress of civilization. I know I said I didn't have much faith in humanity but I've got more hope than that. My hate isn't aimless; its' obviously directed straight at the religious! And I'm doing it because I see much of the worlds population acting childishly and I see them as a complete threat to my safety and the safety of society as a whole. We're far too advanced technologically to be carrying on with this unfounded, primitive nonsense. When will it end? Will we be travelling through the cosmos in the name of Jesus?! I don't give a shit about what people want. In reality that's the main reason why religion exists, so ultimately society is being fucked because people want a god that they don't need. it's time to grow up.I'm sorry that you've given up. I'd like to hope that it can change. People just need to wake up and be honest with themselves.

Free will is the biggest nonsensible rationalization in all of religion. Why would a person choose to go to hell? And if I was such a dirty, defiant sinner - which i am- then god created me that way. So why am I being held accountable for daddy's mistake? Maybe there isan ambiguous system whereby god randomly creates good and bad souls and then subsequently punishes or saves them. Seems a little perverted to me. That's more akin to the likes of abortion, certainly not an act of an all-loving god. Yup. that's the other major logical fallacy. Actually politics has always been related to religion with very few exceptions. politics is just what people use to make decisions, so if the majority of a group of people believe in the omniscience and wisdom of bigfoot- the destination of their eternal soul depends upon them doing exactly what bigfoot says - then that's obviously going to be reflected in government by representatives and their dumbass policies. There're always going to be nutjob terrorists and automatons. The majority of reasonable people are not going to go around blowing up SUVs unless they're indocrinated by an idiot, which is what im fundamentally against. Communism/fascism aren't good examples because they're basically religion in the form of political governance. Instead of submitting to jesus you submit to your fellow man or some other asshole. What am I wrong about?! The god of the old testament is the exact same god of new testament. This just goes to show the lengths people will go to in order to rationalize their faith. Talk about cherry-picking -- you literally have to disregard most of your bible inorder to justify it. Don't you see that is a problem? The absurdities in the old testament somehow don't negate the validity of His word, instead they are just forgotten in favor of the newest truth. It doesn't make any sense. God decided to create fags and subsequently hate on them in the old testament, but after he magically conceived himself as less of homophobic asshole, it's all good? Even if you do follow the new testament there's tons of hate, killing, antisemitism and homobophia. This is what boggles my mind. All of the abrahamic religions supposedly worship the same god. There are literally dozens of demoninations all claiming to have the correct understanding of the judeo-christian scriptural source. Only one of them can be right - not one of them is more reasonable than the other-and yet millions of people don't find this suspicious. I really don't have a lot of faith in humanity right now... I mean, these myths are common. Throughout history there's been numerous myths about people bein born as the son of god, under a star, performed magic, turned water into wine, healed the wounded, died for our sins and magically ascended into heaven. So what do you say about all the evidence that points to the realization that christianity is just one of many myths created by a primitive tribe trying to make sense of the world? I wasn't being facetious when I said religious people shouldn't breed. When I lead the atheist revolution, you're all toast

You're exactly right. It's not the only form of violent extremism but it lends credence to all other forms of extremistm which makes it specifically important. All of the things you mentioned are related to religion.These other forms of violence are all supported and affected by religion. Catholics become nationalists. Christians hate fags. Muslims force a separation in class. etc When you have millions of people moulding their live based on a doctrine that teaches that faith is a virtue, what you get is all of the other types of extremism you mentioned above. Belief without evidence predisposes people to violence in a way that belief based on evidence does not. Another reason why religion is more dangerous than other philosophies is because the concept of god transcend logic. There is no quick and easy way to convince a delusional person that god doesn't exist because everything about god is beyond the laws of nature.If you accept god, you've already conceded to irrational faith and from then on you search for rationalizations to confirm it. You know, why does god let millions of people suffer and die? Why does god only heal people who might have healed on their own anyway? Why doesn't god heal amputees? (God works in mysterious ways) OH, that makes sense. It's no coincidence that nearly every prominent scientist nowadays will regard racism and homophobia as bigotry and ignorance. But why not faith? Well, you can't disprove something that's been designed so that it can't be disproved. Congratulations. you've discovered that there're contradictions in the bible! If the validity of its claims weren't suspect before, they should be now. This is in the bible: "Judge not, lest ye be judged". So is this: "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13) "A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. " (Leviticus 21:9) Who says that the nice verses take precedence over the bad ones? You? That's your subjective opinion and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that you're more right than any fundamentalist. You people cherry-pick the bible ( pick the verses you like and ignore the rest) And if you don't do that, you interpret verses in a self-serving way. There is nothing that needs to be interpreted there. Even if you do interpret it differently, at worst god is a homocidal, megalomaniacal, homophobic asshole -- at best he's slightly homophobic. How can you overlook this little inconsistency that god is supposed to be all-loving and all omniscient, yet he hates fags? Is it okay if god is just a little homophobic? Fundamentalists are truer Christians because anyone who makes an ernest attempt to follow the bible can't help but be a hateful bigot. As for anyone who disregards the hateful verses, you automatically know they're not following the moral code in the bible -- they're following the parts of the bible that agree with their pre-existing sense of morality. Everyone is inherently born as atheists. So what changes their minds? Well, somewhere along the way they were exposed to religion. Not everyone is taught religious doctrine by Osama Bin Ladens; they get it from their moderately religious parents and everyone in their community. It is no coincidence that a great deal of religious people are indoctrinated from an early age by their parents. They're put in religious schools and they're taken to sunday school at ages when they are too young to read and write, nevermind philosophize about the creator of the world. Kids are labelled as Christians, Muslims, and Catholics etc at an early age. Many kids drop the the label but a lot of them remain religious well into adulthood maybe even for the rest of their lives. It's bloody child abuse. God is subjective belief but it is taught as a fact.This is how the delusion is spread from generation to generation. Also, It's stupid to call Stalin's communism atheistic. you're using a secondary predicate. Atheism is true about what I'm not, not about what I am. Calling Stalin's communism atheistic is like describing a restaurant as "a restaurant that does not not sell indian food". It's not only pointless to say that but it's misleading. Communist, fascism and Totalitariansim are ideals based on values which are identitcal to those found in every prominent religion.(self-sacrifice, submission to an unanswerable authority, equality). So I take offensive to you calling communism atheistic. Those are YOUR values, not mine. moonlight graham: One has to believe in the bible before it matters how one interprets it. People should quit treating the bible as a viable source of information when it's obviously so completely ambiguous and contradictory. The problem is that people treat the bible as something important when it's really not. You shouldn't need a bible to believe in god and you don't need one to substantiate the unlikelihood of god. seanathon: Since when were Jesus' teachings not in the old testament? Pretty much all of the new testament came from Paul and he never even MET Jesus. Jesus "came to him in a dream" something like four decades after Jesus' death and this is where our knowledge of jesus comes from. Sounds trustworthy to me.

I have more respect for fundamentalists/extremists than I do for religious moderates. Fundamentalists actually read the bible and are consistant in their delusional faith which is than I can say for most moderates who - while they appear to be reasonable, unthreatning people - will pretend to be faithful and righteous, denouncing fundamentalists and extremists with phrases, "they don't represent us". But are they any less dangerous? The faith of an extremist isn't any more irrational than the faith of a moderate. I don't differentiate between the two. And do you think that moderates aren't negatively affecting our society just because they aren't flying planes into buildings? It's bloody 2007 and there are restrictions on stem-cell research because our world leaders believe in ghosts. We've mapped the human genome but we're still electing people into positions of social responsibility who believe that the world is less than 10,000 years old. If you subscribe to the bible, you SHOULD hate fags. You should stone virgins to death and you should kill infidels. The Westboro Baptist church - those made infamous for their "god hates fags" signs- are the real Christians. Their beliefs aren't any crazier than those of any other Christian. Most Christians don't hate fags, and they don't even think they should hate fags. Infact, most Christians don't follow the word of god whatsoever. So this leads me to believe that most people are really just closet(pussy) agnostics. They're too afraid to accept the truth and they're too afraid to follow the bible. they follow the bible when it's convenient for them, sometimes. But it's only our eternal soul which is at stake right, so who cares? The Osama Bin Laden's of the world may be the obvious culprits but the moderates are the ones who enable the cultures that breed and accept extremists. Without a broad acceptance of faith, terrorists and fundamentalists would have nothing to stand on. Of course, it's considered disrespectful to ask someone about their faith. But why? Why should I respect someones belief? People don't respect beliefs, and I'm not going to start by respecting stupid beliefs. It's not a matter of respect. Since when did anybody respect someone elses beliefs about history,politics, science etc. If someone says something absurd you naturally question it and ask for reasons. So why is it that religious people are always so reluctant to discuss their beliefs? Is it because it's a personal question? Bullshit. The reason is that the survival of religion completely depends on people not thinking. Because as soon as you start to think about it, it doesn't make sense. believers engage in conformation bias. Anything that doesn't validate their beliefs is rejected. That's why society has developed a taboo towards discussing religion. Because thinking doesn't help validate religious beliefs, it does the opposite. So all of you moderates are dangerous idiots and you're a threat to society. Quit breeding generations of automatons. you should be forced to take a skill testing question before being allowed to give birth. "do you believe in god?".

I was surprised at his acting. it was a great performance.