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Those Ivey kids are sketchy as hell. P.S. Yes, I love it too. See: Most annoying thing about me thread.

Clearly, math is not your strength. If you do 2 hours of studying for 1 hour of class work, a social sci will do 30 hours a week and a scientist will do 50. EDIT: For the sake of intellectual honesty, a science student won't really do 50 hours a week, but more like 40. You don't need to study 6 hours for a 3 hour lab, and I've got 9 lab/tutorial hours per week. I'm just saying.

How do you flirt with deaf interpreters? The obvious hand-touch is out of the question because your hands are otherwise engaged.

Unless she's hot.

The difference with reading books with significant historical/political/religious/philosophical significance is that it is still in English. You can read a sentence a few times and have it committed to memory. Science and math isn't like that at all... most of the time it's hard to even grasp the logic behind certain operations. I've done both, by the way - written 13 page essays on the effects of the vietnam war on american foreign policy which required hours upon hours of research and note-taking before I could even write up a thesis, and while it definitely required work, there were no moments of sitting at my desk absolutely stuck on something not knowing what the fuck is supposed to happen with certain vectors or what have you. Yes, it's more time consuming, but spending a weekend writing an essay is considerably less intense than studying for a Calculus exam. There have been times where I've honestly woken up, looked at a digital clock and wondered what sort of operation I was supposed to do to derive what time it was from the two numbers on the screen because I was so engrossed in Calculus.

Just out of curiosity, what was your average for the 6 courses you submitted to the universities you applied to? I usually don't like being this much of an asshole, but you didn't even get acceptance into Western (which would give clues to what your average was), and you didn't take any really tough science or math courses. You can work hard in English, but working hard in English means reading a complex book and analyzing characters and plot developments. Working hard in math or science involves learning shit that is entirely new to you and memorizing complex rules for, say, finding derivatives of various types of equations or THE FUCKING QUANTUM THEORY OF THE ATOM. I'm guessing you didn't learn that in English. I'm not saying that there isn't a need for teachers or psychiatrists, but please don't think that I believe for a second that English requires as much work or was as difficult as calculus or chemistry.

I think she was trying to tell me that I was cute. P.S. Don't call a guy cute. You may as well surgically remove our genitals.

She must be a succubus.

Someone once told me I look like Elijah Wood.

you know, that's about the most idiotic attitude I've ever come across. you really have no idea what goes into getting an honours degree in history (or another humanities/social science program), so how could you possibly comment? The "get a real degree" comment is always made with a certain degree of tongue-in-cheek. I'll even knock biologists and students in the "faculty of health science" as I see fit. Refer to: "Most annoying thing about me" thread. I'm sure that a shitload of work goes into getting into any honours degree module in history, just as a similar amount of work goes into getting into an honours degree in science or the engineering specialty module (chemical, civil, mechanical) you want. But, for the sake of argument... What goes into getting into a social science or arts and humanities faculty at university? What pre-requisites must you have? English, of course, as all programs require English. Then I assume a history or two. Then the rest is really whatever you want, as long as it's a university or university-college prep course. Now, science and engineering? Well, for all engineering programs, you need discrete mathematics, which is almost universally considered the toughest course offered in Ontario high schools. Many science programs (see: U of T, Waterloo) also require it. Science and engineering both require Calculus. And usually two other science electives. My two were chemistry (which my chemical engineer/teacher said was the second-hardest course to take in high school) and physics, also a difficult course. And the entrance marks are considerably higher - in the 90's for some high-demand engineering programs, but generally mid-to-low 80's for both science and eng, depending on what kind of school you go to. But social sci and arts & humanities? Even at top-tier schools they will consider students with averages in the 70's. And I can guarantee that, although many people going into social sci/arts & humanities may take a science (bio was particularly popular), they aren't required to take one, and they sure as hell aren't required to take courses like calculus, chemistry or discrete mathematics. If they are required to take a math, they'll take Data Management if they can get away without taking calculus. Now, I know there are obvious exceptions to that generalization, and I know that you're going to come back by stating just how many papers honours spec. history majors write, and how long they have to be, and on and on. And I know that. Any kind of hardcore specialization modules in university require a lot of work. But how many people in social sci/a&h actually go into that kind of hardcore specialization? I can respect someone who genuinely works their ass off in a given field, but a lot of the work for upper year social sci students that I've talked to is a fucking joke. As a scientist, I have a bit of a blood feud with engineers. After all, an engineer is someone who will do for profit what a scientist does for fun. But I do respect the fact that they have to work their asses off just to get into their programs, and then work harder still once they're inside, to discover that only 1 in 10 engineering undergrads has a vagina.

Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh! I know! It was you!

Yeah, but I'm still going to tell people in social sci or arts & humanities to "get a real degree".

I won't knock people that actually have a passion for social sci/humanities. I was, at one point, considering a political science degree, and I have just as much an interest in history and politics as I do science. I also knew several people who took plenty of hard as fuck courses in high school (see: calculus, chemistry, discrete), got the marks that would have gotten them into any engineering program in the country, but went into the humanities because it's what they wanted to do. I really have nothing on those people.

Which reminds me; I don't see the resemblance at all.

Judging by the course load, you must be an engineer. I assumed you were taking a humanities course because no self-respecting engineer would come to the defense of social sci or arts and humanities. Out of all the kids on my floor, the best students are all either in science or engineering. The slackers and partiers and those kids with a 'sense of entitlement' are almost universally social sci or arts and humanities. That's not to say that there aren't any kids in social/humanities that don't work their asses off paying their own way through school or aren't good students (or that there aren't any scientists or engineers who slack off and party all week), but there's a pretty strong pattern. Mind you, I'm not complaining about this. I'm taking science because I want to and could care less that someone else who doesn't care as much about their field as I do does a lot less work. You get out of university what you put into it.

Aww, Chris looks so young.

Oh, I'm sorry. P.S. Shouldn't you be attending those rigorous 14 hours of class you have a week?

PWNED!!! I hate social science and arts and humanities with a passion. They don't do jack shit compared to science or engineering.

I won that round. P.S. My out-of-control ego.

They are also in the habit of dipping their faces in progressive baths of glue and sand.

Say... why DID Dave Genn cross the road?

Well, maybe if you had gone to college... I'm sitting in a cafe just outside the science library right now. Some blenders are blaring in the background for people buying their novelty overpriced iced coffee snacks. And if someone just walked in here with a gun? That's pretty much what happened in Montreal. EDIT: mself084, I agree that guy is full of shit. People who do stuff like this usually have mental illnesses. A video game like Counterstrike isn't going to make you randomly open fire on innocent civilians. EDIT EDIT: To open up another thread of discussion, why aren't people calling things like this terrorist attacks? It fits every definition of the term.

People out here have been talking lately about how they saved zero dollars of what they earned in high school jobs. Someone mentioned how they earned about 12K throughout high school and spent all of it. Plenty of people 'round here are already in severe amounts of debt or maxing out their credit cards or what have you. It's scary. I've always grown up with my parents spending as little as possible (despite earning a very cushy income) so I'm rather well set from a financial point of view, both in the sense that my parents have a lot of money saved and that I don't spend very much money in general. P.S. BOOZE. That's where the money goes. P.P.S. As a university student who wants to join the army at some point to fund his education (either as a reserve musician or through the ROTP and on to becoming a military pharmacist) I find this... well, disconcerting, I guess. The military does offer some pretty damn good incentives for students these days. If you join the regular officer training program, you'll earn 16K a year plus having your books and tuition covered. But the money by itself isn't the reason I'm interested in the armed forces, and I'm going to be joining the health services corps in a non-combative occupation.

Unles they have the cheat codes.

And yet, "a guy" totally wasn't included.