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"Where's your keys" isn't so bad, though, is it? Eh... forgive people for not knowing the complex world that is the English language inside out. Honestly, who came up with this friggin' language? I have half a mind to kick them in the groin. It's led to nothing but North American redneckery.

That is where you're wrong. Someone else having sex with whom they please and having an abortion (or not having an abortion, for that matter) doesn't affect me at all. Now, someone having promiscuous sex, knowingly having an STD and knowingly passing it along to their partners - there's something wrong with that. There have been cases of people who knew they were HIV positive and went out and had sex with people without telling them they were HIV positive being charged with crimes - especially rapists who went about trying to infect as many people as possible. Stuff like that merits laws being put in place, because intentionally and maliciously spreading AIDS or another vicious STD around does affect me, in the same way that unemployment and poverty in my city affects me. Now, the suggestion that people who have abortions are irresponsible is a funny one. I think responsibility has less to do with living up to your own self-defined standards and more to do with living up to a collective set of defined standards. Just to name an example, it would be irresponsible of a parent to go out clubbing every night after work. Why? Because they have a responsibility to be home and raise their kids - you know, cook dinner, help with homework, read to them, whatever. It is irresponsible of an employee to, say, forget a business presentation at home, because of their responsibility to bring it into work. That's responsibility - when other people are depending on you to do something. I don't think it's necessarily irresponsible of someone to get pregnant from having sex. Should it come as a surprise? No. And that's one of the risks people accept, willingly or not, when they have sex - that either they will get pregnant themselves, or their partner will get pregnant. The same thing goes for sex between a comitted couple. What happens if the girl gets pregnant, and the couple just really doesn't want children, or they can't afford it? Is it "irresponsible" of them to have an abortion and live a lifestyle that they choose, or to not go bankrupt trying to raise a child? You probably find that objectionable, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not irresponsible. And on top of that, I'd even say that in the case of a poor couple who can't afford it, it would be responsible of them to have an abortion. Why? Because if they know that they will be incapable of raising the prospective child in an atmosphere that they know is substandard, they are arguably doing the right thing by not bringing the child into a world that won't afford it all the opportunities it deserves. And I don't think that giving it up for adoption would afford it a particularly great qality of life either. gotta run...

I've been bragging about it for some time, I'm not gonna get sick now. *sneezes*

Why can't we treat grownups like grownups and let people make their own decisions? Society shouldn't be a collective babysitter, tellling people what they can and can't do with their lives. If someone wants to have promiscuous sex, and as long as that doesn't affect me somehow, then they should be allowed to. And if they get pregnant and want an abortion, and as long as that doesn't affect me somehow, then they should be allowed to. Simple as that. Whatever happened to letting people live their own lives? Seems these days, everyone wants everyone else to live up to their standards, and only their standards, lest they all be condemned to hell.

Well, it's unusually charitable because I haven't seen you being so nice to me. So if you're even nicer than that, then yay sugar plums! P.S. I really don't.

How unusually charitable of you... and just in time for the Christmas season. P.S. what are pretending?

Wow, Christy, you're like the ghost of lives past... saving me from becoming the Scrooge that Saturnine is.

For me it is. *clings on to the illusion that it is*

It's legal as long as the police don't get involved. P.S. Mrs. Jesus thank you for the compliment of comparing me to Saturnine.

And I, for one, am not going to disagree. Although I do think you might want to have someone test them out, to make sure they are just right. You know, in case they aren't. They might be better, you know. I'll give you my card.

She would make a terrible Pope! She's not even a man!

As if my vaugely arrogant rhetorical question wasn't proof enough?

Don't you realize that's beside the friggin point? P.S. If sex is a matter of personal responsibility (which I will wholeheartedly agree with), why can't abortion be one as well?

That's the best you can do?

The "more than a handful" is a good rule of thumb for just about anything. Especially boobs. If you need a forklift to help you out, then something's wrong.

I'm so much more Popey than her. For example, I'm Italian. At least, party Italian. I look white, so you wouldn't know by guessing, but it's there. Also, like most of the Renaissance and Middle Ages popes, I'm extremely naughty.

Oh, I like to keep the vaseline for myself.

But secretly, you write bad poetry about it.

Nah, we've grown apart since then... Last time I checked, she really disliked sitting down in general. Never quite figured out why.

I forgot to correct those as well.

What can I say? It was consensual. She recovered from the burns. Then never talked to me again. ;)

Screw Alberta as a whole... you don't need those rednecks. Try living somewhere that doesn't suck.

In case you were wondering, the 13 year old girl hot poker anal rape action was pretty damned sweet.

MaryAnn can't be Pope. She's a girl. Vote me for Pope. I'm actually eligible.

Well, Moonlight, I agree with you for the most part. But ultimately, who are any of us to dicate what is or isn't "moral" into law, and force other people to live by those standards? (this doesn't apply to murder or rape or theft, so let's not go down that road...) However, the fetus' brain isn't quite developed enough to feel bad about not living. Its nervous system, yes, but not its conscience. But I think there are cases where abortions are justified, even when not in a life-or-death situation. I remember on one discussion board I used to frequent, one of the members terminated her pregnancy during a divorce from an abusive husband. She was going to be a single mother at 25, and already had two kids to take care of. I think her having an abortion was more than justified in such a case. Can you imagine trying to make a living for yourself and three kids after a divorce without a university degree? And what if she were to keep the baby and give it up for adoption? How would one earn a living whilst pregnant and with two kids to take care of?