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Yeah, it's a damn shame.

Part with a dollar?? I'll stick to being the bitch, thank you. ;)

I was supposed to have read it in English class, I guess I'll leave it at that.

*Jealous*

But, I'm too many people's bitch as it is already.

wow... never been to a forum that had nice people before, feels sorta weird...

ask whom??

When thinking of this war, I just can't possibly picture it ending any time soon, I think it only will go downhill from here, well I guess it already has been.

It just shows him from a side that's rarely though of. I too will hold my opinion until seeing it, all I'm certain of right now is that it will be interesting.

Tsk, it's not looking too good, it's sorta like they say: hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

I don't know how I ever lived without this site. ;)

I've just heard the samples from 6 songs from Reise Reise (not to mention Amerika and Mein Teil)... very impressed.

Anyone have any idea when it comes out??

I thought the thread meant "good movies about stupid people."

1. Flashdance II 2. 21st Century Living (Juanpe's right, very hard choice) 3. Omissions of the Omen 4. Apparitions 5. Workers Sing a Song of Mass Production 6. Failing the Rorschach Test

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?t...storyID=6257323

Another interesting war article, this one's by Paul Krugman of the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/opinion/...ner=rssuserland

Michael Moore's satire "Canadian Bacon"

I never actually followed their music a whole lot, they got a few good tunes... My girlfriend's a big fan though, but she's not overly distraught about it either.

Well dammit, I've lost the giant status, guess it means I'm back to normal size, but at least I'm K-I-C-K-A-S-S now.

Good point about the not catching on, I guess it applies to Matt Good who is far from being big (whenever I tell people I listen to Matthew Good Band, the typical response is, "don't you mean the Dave Matthews Band") ...but I've just realized that this is whole thing has probably been over-analyzed. I'm not in fact terribly concerned with the origins of the music or anything of the nature; with Rammstein, I like the sound and the lyrics. I think there's more to it than just being angry Germans. With Manson I don't like the music so much (some is ok I must admit) but alot of the points he makes in his music are valid. If he doesnt already without me being aware of it, he should write books, from interviews I've seen of him, he's pretty intelligent. The thing about him that really gets to me is that "satan" thing. I dunno if he's satanic or whatever, but alot of his fans, at least the ones that I know, think of him as this evil icon and they think they're so badass because they write '666' on themselves with dry-erase markers and crap like that. I've always thought that to be really stupid. So in a sense, it's probably his fans that sully my image of him.

It's not terribly far from where I am, but I'm not much of a concert-goer, so for me it probably wouldn't even be all that worth it.

Damn, there's so much I've not yet heard from Matt.

You can't hold it against a band for having influences. I mean are you to argue that Marilyn Manson for example is completely original in every way?? Those other bands that were "doing it all before Rammstein" never really caught on for the most part, and there's a reason for that. A whole slew of English songs?? Du Hast and Engel are the only 2 songs for which there are English versions, while they did do a couple of other songs in English (that never made it onto albums), atlthough, there were covers ( e.g. "Stripped" by Depeche Mode) or tributes, such as their rendition of "Pet Cemetary" in honor of the departed Joey Ramone. Their first album, had no English songs and no English versions were ever made of any of them. The English songs (both from Sehnsucht which was their 2nd album but the 1st album that attained any popularity in the states) are just recognition of the fact that they do have large English-speaking fanbase and that these fans aren't ignored. They've done a few songs in Russian as well. If they speak the language, why not sing in it?? They've also cooperated with English-speaking artists (including Manson), but that is not all that significant.

Live Aus Berlin isn't actually an album, it's just a live performance of the first 2 ablums so that wouldn't even count when trying to determine development. If you listen to Herzeleid compared to Mutter, there is definte change and development, Herzeleid has much rougher and harder sound, Mutter has more more emphasis on things like female vocals, orchestral elements, and so forth. I never said teen angst, just angst in general. Call it what you want, it is whining because it's all been heard before and it's not like they have any grounds to complain, life is good for people like Manson, they got alotta money, women and so on. Like they ever give a damn that their parents don't understand them, they don't believe in "family values," or they can't find purpose in life. Rammstein I don't think relies on being seen as foreign for their success. They're Germans so they sing in German, it just makes sense. If they really wanted massive commercial success they may as well have been better off starting in English so as to appeal to the English speaking crowd which has the most influence oh who listens to what around the world. The pyrotechnics they use are to really make it a show rather than just stand there in front of people playing music, everyone does that, they just needed something else, to set them apart. If you've seen any of the more recent concerts (stuff from the Mutter album)...they've for the most part toned down alot of the pyrotechnics because they're not as necessary. Take for example the 2001 Velodrome concert in Berlin, aside from a couple of small fireworks type things, there was almost no pyrotechnic effects. They also do in fact have a central theme which is basically just anything western culture regards as taboo. The thing is when it comes to things like rape, child abuse, etc, the world doesn't like thinking about those things as a whole, it's seen as something to "sweep under the rug." So Rammstein acts contrary to that and basically throws it into everyones face. Sorta showing the world it's ugly side that it doens't like seeing in itself.