Communism...

[juanpe]

they are just moved by personal interests, personal benefits and they dont give a f***k about the rest of the people... that sucks and makes me vomit... such a selfish world, dan...

[ToadMan]

hmm...

 

how rich are these people that are only interested in money and power?

 

I think you may be misjudging all rich people.

 

Peace

[Dan #1]

true.... of course there are always exceptions.

Thanks for pointing that out ;)

[Lauren]

oprah is nice and rich.

Edited July 23, 2004 by Lauren_Atmore

[Hyphnip]

Star Trek = Communism! I never realized that before.

[Crusader]

Utopianism ;) No use for money or property.

[Hyphnip]

But wouldn't communism be utopianism then idealy?

[ToadMan]

Socialism... In communism, the state owns everything, in socialism nobody owns anything (or everybody owns everything if you will).

 

You can't remove money... which is why these systems fail. Things must have value. It is harder for the car dealer to share his wares, then it is for the grocer.

 

Peace

[juanpe]

almost impossible in a consumist culture as the one we are living in the Western world...

[Hyphnip]

I think that money (along with Racism, Sexism, Religion and Nationalism) is one of the worst concepts created by mankind.

[Dan #1]

I think it is neat how some of the Natives of our land used to "Market" their products. They would trade, rather than use money. I dont know how different this is... but trading seems more appropriate in my eyes. Money i guess is a type of trade, but it is abused.

[Hyphnip]

True, trading was a cool concept, but it could never work today. It's make prostitution a WHOLE LOT more creepy.

[Dan #1]

Prostitution isn't legal in the first place though ;)

 

right...?

[Hyphnip]

True, but it still happens. Money isn't always necessarilly spent on legal things.

[Crusader]

It's legal in some parts of the US.

[ToadMan]

trading doesn't forgo the consumist attitude, it still places a value on items... it also requires that you have something to trade, but that's not strictly true for everybody. Monetary systems provide a mechanism for people to trade services (or skills).

 

Peace

[Dan #1]

There is no way to rid of value for items i guess... until the star trek era. Right anton?

 

Placing value for items/services....Its something unfortunate but necessary.

oh well, im just appreciative that i have to worry about money for a new MG CD instead of worrying about buying food for the day.

[Mr. Chips]

Just on the money and power issue: Michael Moore is a multi-millionair, and from what I've read in un-bias reports, he is very concerned about making money.

 

Makes ya think.

[ToadMan]

technically there is no such thing as an un-bias report ;)

 

But that is rather interesting... I just wonder what lengths Mr. Moore is willing to go to, to make money. It's interesting to consider, would he become that which he despises for money?

 

Ironically, I don't think that even star-trek has true removal of product value. The system is not clearly explained: Picard does mention in First Contact, to the one woman, that in the future there is no money "We work to better ourselves". But when you consider information presented in Deep Space Nine, it's not entirely clear: other races obviously have a monetary system. Looking a Voyager, the crew trades food rations and holodeck time, which in turn makes these things the currency.

 

Wow, double coverage...

 

Peace

[Dan #1]

hahaha point proven Toadman ;) ...

but thats just because the producers didnt want to make the show too obscure. The real star trek age will be rid of such "trading" :angry:

 

 

(never mind... who even thinks star trek will ever happen?)

[ToadMan]

lol

 

Peace

[Lauren]

who all reacalls my saweet star trek shirt? i do ;)

[mg_forlife]

Aloha

Animal Farm is a great book. ;) Michael Moore is very talented.

 

And from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Anya said, "People can so rarely be exchanged for goods and services." So money just helps sort that out.

 

On democracy, here's a quote:"The greatest fallacy of democracy is that everyone's opinion is worth the same."

Robert Anson Heinlein, 1907-1988 (American science fiction writer)

I'm not quite sure what my point is, maybe I'll figure that out later.

[Dan #1]

"The greatest fallacy of democracy is that everyone's opinion is worth the same."

Would that quote mean that it is unfortunate that the evil people and morons have the same effect on our society as the kind people and intelligents?

It is ironic that we have to give those people a chance though ;) its only fair right?....

[Lauren]

i wouldn't go so far as to say we all have equal weight on our opinions..