Communism...

[Lauren]

given the past, i think its not a good idea. what do you think?

[Dan #1]

In theory, communism is a great idea. But the fact is that it is nearly impossible to put it into action and be successful.

[ok_go_570]

Thats true. Theres exceptions though...Cuba isnt haveing alot of problems being a communist country.

 

There are alot of poverty in communist countrys and thats because the leaders of such countrys are corrupt. THey take more than there share of money. So technically it isnt real communism

[ToadMan]

Technically, Communism is a bad idea.

 

Communism is an evolution of socialism. Socialism is a good idea except that Marcs had no concept of the limited liability corporation. Therefor socialism is based on preventing a few very rich people from owning everything by preventing anybody from owning anything. Communism gives the state ownership of everything (this leads to poverty and corruption)

 

Peace

[Dan #1]

and that my friend is why communism does not work in practice ;)

[ToadMan]

Not that a few of the communist concepts of equality, and sharing of wealth wouldn't be a heathy change to our social structure. In there purest form, these concepts are above reproach. (not that I'm against the rich)

 

In practice true communism would fail, but a hybrid of communism with capitalism would produce a social structure where: Everybody has equality under the law (this is becoming more of a reality here at home... not completely though... the details of this would have to be another thread, since I cannot completely explain an example enough to not have the appearance of being racist, which I am not); the government actively helps the underprivileged thus allowing all people to maintain a standard of living above the poverty line; there is a competitive market, thus driving the economy forward; contrary to Marc's socialism, rather than a few owning everything, everybody would own a piece of something.

 

Ironically the two political views at opposite ends of the spectrum, have elements that would be present in a utopian society.

 

Peace

[Crusader]

Thus utopia would only be achievable in the Star Trek universe.

 

Communism isn't perfect and neither is democracy.

[Dan #1]

What is perfection anyways?

[Lauren]

perfection is... me.

[Dan #1]

I am nobody.

Nobody is perfect.

Therefore I am perfect.

;) great quote?

[Lauren]

story of my life.

[no yu begin wher i end]

Democracy=worst system in the world, yet it's the only one that works.

 

Communism=great system, but can only work given 2 near impossiblities: 1) Everyone (that is, 100% of the population) wants the communist system in power, and 2) the leader isn't a megalomaniacal dictator. For more on this phenomenom, read 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell. It's a great farce of the Soviet Union (and now that I think of it, the French Revolution as well).

 

That's just my opinion. I'll probably modify it somewhat as this discussion goes deeper.

[ToadMan]

Animal Farm isn't about communism (contrary to popular belief) Orwell actually said it is about the Boslshivics (don't trust my spelling)

[Dan #1]

interesting... i was also taught in school that it was about communism. That damn molony again.....

Edited July 18, 2004 by danimal

[no yu begin wher i end]

I didn't say that it was necessarily about Communism in general, but the Soviet Union (that the Bolsheviks created in their revolution) and its particular government

[Lauren]

i saw the movie.. talking animals creep me out.

[Dan #1]

even the movie "babe" ... that was my favourite movie at one time.

 

Bah-Ram you...

[Lauren]

well... maybe just the sort of talking pigs that have wet nose.. babe was cute, and not so pig-like, but napolean and snowball and them were all gross and pig-like.

[Mr. Chips]

Democracy=worst system in the world, yet it's the only one that works.

I think that that's pushing it a bit. You have no other system to compare Democracy with that works. I think it's a great system, but as said before, it's not perfect. I think we're headed in the right direction---excluding the United States.

 

Go Canada

[Dan #1]

Yeah i guess gov't systems take a while to improve. At least i hope our gov't democracy is improving.

[Lauren]

doesn't take them long to go to hell though..

[juanpe]

if we wanna be utopic, communism would be the perfect system (and I'm 100% for it)... but being realistic, in the globalized and materialistic world we are living in, communism can't take place, all political systems would have to be changed and i know that will not ever happen...

 

in any case, i'm still fighting - and i think we all should - for a better world, with more equality in all senses, sharing all we have with the others and specially with those in need... and that is the base of communism

 

call me utopic, i am and i'm very proud of it ;)

[Dan #1]

Who wouldn't want a utopic society?

 

well maybe those people in the world who have more money or power than they know what to do with... and that is exactly why it doesn't work ;)

[juanpe]

yes, exactly, those powerful people who are just worried about money and making money and getting profit of everything are the people who dont let us get a better world...

[Dan #1]

They do not think for the future. They have a good life now and they really dont care about the human species after they die.