MrManInvisible

And I'm sure I won't be the first to point out that Marvin was the inspiration for the title of the song Paranoid Android by Radiohead. I dunno if they actually use that term in the movie but it's definitely in the book. I'm looking forward to the movie.

yeah, the Hoggesey did have some good songs, but there were some on there that i always skip through. Maybe half the cd was good, half of what's left is decent, and the last ones i just don't like. Nothing in comparison to the other two albums.

Their last album wasn't so great (although I did like the 2001 theme cover) but the first two were amazing! Zeros!

Hahahaha, well after all this, I go out of pure bordeom to Tower, and lo and behold, what's there? Avalanche. Oh well, at least I saved 8 bucks ordering it over the internet. I'll probably get White Light online too at some point.

Order is complete. I got Avalanche (new for 9.98) and Raygun (new for 5.38). Gooooooood times. Thanks again everyone. Oh yeah, and I've already go Beautiful Midnight and Underdogs. I'm still trying to find a Canadian copy of Beautiful Midnight though cause the US version is missing a few songs. They're replaced by Deep 6ix, Apparitions, annnndddd.... something else that I can't think of off the top of my head. I'm sure you already know though.

Ok, it's lookin like Avalanche is the winner. It's cheaper anyways so i can cram on one more cheap cd that way. Thanks for the advice everyone. This wouldn't be such a hassle if they would just stock these damn cds down in das states in the first place.

That Matt was touring the US. What nonsense, huh? It was horrible though cause I'm going to Spain for three months and he was going to be right in my area in the middle of my absence. I'm already going to miss Queens of the Stoneage and likely the Mars Volta. But then later in my dream I managed to see him play anyways and he was doing Talking Heads covers. So I just thought I'd share my madness.

Cause I'm po. Actually I've got an amazon gift certificate (I posted earlier about trying to get At Last There Is Nothing Left To Say) so I could get them both, but then I wouldn't have money left to get the live Red Elvises cd, if I may be so bold as to throw out an endorsement to a sexually crazed russian surf rock n' roll band you probably have never heard. I'm really tempted to get White Light just after reading through the lyrics. I think We're So Heavy is one of my favorite songs lyrically. I just hope hearing the actual song doesn't ruin it for me.

I haven't heard anything off of either except Weapon and It's Been A While Since I was Your Man (and I preferred Weapon over the two) and I'm not into the whole downloading music thing. What are the general tones of the albums? Are the comparable to any of the MGB records? What do you all think? I'm gonna get one of the two.

I have an amazon.com gift certificate that doesn't work at amazon.ca, but the book at the US store is 101 bucks as opposed to the canadian store where it's only 15 canadian dollars (or 12 us) I just thought I'd complain a little.

I can't believe that the same femenists that say abortion is a woman's right to chooses (which I don't exactly agree with but to specific points that I won't get into here) are now saying that a woman can't choose to use her body to get a point across in a way that is known to work. Hypocracy.

Was the original poster for this being serious? Trapt? Lyrically emotional? Lyrically trite.

Damn, I caved in and listened to the widow again. The new album has 5 tracks with different sections in each one that are the different songs. But the whole thing flows together as one long song. http://www.thecomatorium.com/board/index.php?showtopic=26110

Apparently some British radio station played it, and then someone ripped it from the streaming audio or something. Point being it supposedly sounds really bad in comparison to what the cd is going to sound like. There was a message on their official website about them not wanting people to listen to it on a computer but they've since taken it down. I myself am not going to listen to it (of even the widow anymore. I only listened once) because i don't want to get it stuck in my head and burn out on it so soon.

I never said that being a vegetarian was natural. In fact my whole argument was that there is hardly anything that we do today that is natural. My other argument is not that we should give up meat because we've found alternatives. I am simply stating with that point that it is easier to do now. My argument for not eating meat is that there are sentient beings being killed for something that we don't need. You misunderstood both my arguments.

And also in response to whatever the "If lions can eat animals, i can too" argument. Well, as i've said, we're omnivores. We don't NEED meat as lions do. And to say we're on the same level of wild animals in terms of our need for meat is completely wrong. We have the knowledge to have a diet that does not consist of any meat at all and still live healthy lives. We also have the knowledge that other animals have brains and the same sensory organs as us, giving them the ability to feel physical and emotional pain. All this on top of the fact that we have moved from nature into cities long, long ago. If you want to eat an animal because that's what happens in nature, you'd better not be using anything more than a fire and some rocks to eat it, because silverware, dishes, ovens, bbq grills, and stoves are not found in nature.

Hey, yeah, I'd love to hear it. Any way you could send it to me via email?? It's [email protected] . Thanks!

Are you referring to domestic pets or domestic farm animals? If you're referring to the farm animals (and i'm assuming you are), we would not be over run by them. There are tons of them right now but that is because they are bred in massive numbers to meet the demand of meat.

There isn't any evidence that people who live without meat are less likely to live a long and healthy life. Whether you eat meat or not, a long and healthy life will depend on your diet. A person who does eat meat could eat tons of greasy burgers and fast food and have a heart attack at the age of 50 just as easily as a vegetarian could eat nothing but grilled cheese and become really malnourished. There is such a slight percentage of the US population that actually eats for health reasons and keeps track of it all for that specific purpose. Most just eat because they're stomaches tell them they're hungry and once they're not hungry anymore, they stop eating. There is also plenty of research that shows that a vegetarian diet can lead you to a long healthy life too, just as well as a meat consuming diet can. 1. And I know, I know, I know, we have the freedom of choice. That's why i'm not holding a gun to anyone's head. I just happen to believe that animals should have something of a voice in the matter of their being killed for our benefits. 2. If all humans stopped using sweatshop labor products there would also be an imbalance worldwide, it doesn't mean an imbalance is bad. 3. Meat is tasty, i'm not arguing that. But Heroin feels good too.

It was linked from theprp.com the other day but a day later the link, which had a list of streaming songs, had taken it down already. It was The Widow and apparently I heard it was kinda bluesy although i don't know what to make of that statement.

I hope you keep an open mind while reading this oh itchy itchy itchy... where to begin. 1. I didn't call anyone in specific ignorant. That means you, who i haven't even talked to before so no use getting on the defense and telling me what you know about farm animals. 2. I don't know if you're referring to farm animals as in free range/organic farmers (and i still don't think that killing an animal is giving it the respect it deserves) but the majority of supermarkets in the US are Giants and Safeways and Food Lions etc. Thousands of them. Do you think that the ammount of meat that they sell every day could come from such small farms? A majority of the meat comes from factory farms where there is no way that you can make the claim that the animals are treated with respect. Fed by machines while in stalls where they can barely turn around. Thousands of chickens crammed into one house where they can't roam around outside and get the fresh air they need. Male chickens literally thrown away. Heffers kept impregnated so they remain producing milk at the highest capacity, the milk then being taken and sold while the calf is taken away and often sold for veal. 3. I'll throw around my "bullshit" like apathy and ignorance because you don't care about the fact that animals are treated bad so we can eat them (apathy) and because a lot of people don't know how they are treated (ignorance). People don't become vegetarians for no reason, it's because they learn something. Whether for health or animal reasons, they learned something one day that they were ignorant about the day before. Nobody (even you) knows everything. So throw around your bullshit about not wanting to know or care but you really have no f-ing idea what you're talking about. 4. Animals provide food, as you say, and food is, again in your words, a necessity. Maybe you don't realize that there is a variety of other food out there that do not live the same animal life as we do (i.e. plants and don't make me explain to you why plants don't have feelings with any "But plants are alive too" crap. I'm giving you enough credit to be able to figure that out on your own). And why do we have to choose between animals and people? Because people are too selfish to give up the taste of meat. We do not need it. We are omnivores, meaning we are able to, if needed, survive off of all meat or off of all plant matter. We don't need both. So don't tell me it's one or the other. 5. If you think I am attacking you, then you are missing the entire point. People are too close minded and whenever something is brought up that challeneges their ways in "society", they are instantly on the defense (I'm no idiot). I'm not attacking you, i'm telling you what's going on and you're quick to make excuses. 6. I don't care that you're friends with a vegetarian, it doesn't make you any more knowledgable on the matter. And I don't care if he doesn't like people who actually talk about thei vegetarianism either. If someone is a vegetarian for animal causes then they would be wasting their time if they never said anything. Who cares about making vegetarians look good? Supporting a cause means trying to make a fucking difference and you're not going to do it with your mouth shut. To not eat meat because you think there should be a change in how they are treated, and then not care that other people eat it, is the same as eating it yourself. I hope you kept an open mind while read this.

Here is a great link for suppliments. There is a table a little ways down into the page (it's a very long page) that shows what foods provide what nutrients. Every day foods such as broccoli (for calcium) and orange juice (for vitamins) that we eat anyways can give us the same as what we can get in meat. It's nothing tough to get. eatright.org "I haven't forced anyone to do anything." Crusader, I didn't say you've forced anyone to do anything. I said that animals are being forced to live horrible lives. I wasn't implying that you're a factory farm worker or the president of some meat company or another who literally forces the animals themselves. I understand that you have other people do your dirty work for you. And again, you asked if it made you a bad person and I replied. I didn't come out and say it for no reason. in the words of another great Canadian band (Propagandhi) "You can feign ignorance, but you're not stupid, you're just selfish. And you're a slave to your impulse." EDIT: I just want to say one more thing. I'm very adamant about this topic because people tend to easily brush it off as unimportant because it does not effect that directly (animal abuse that is). I have not gone up to someone and told them they are a bad person and I don't hate people who eat meat (because it's always better to try your hand at persuading them to consider what they're doing and it's impossible to do so when someone hates you). The only reason I am saying this is beacause someone else has brought it up. I don't apologize for anything i may have said on this topic (yet at least) but it truly does seem to be a matter of apathy and somewhat of ignorance. And I'm not about to accuse anyone of not standing up for any causes themselves, but if you haven't, then who are you to say anything at all. And I've off and gone on another rant. Sorry, i'll stop now.

True, there will be dissatisfaction, but I think people are so selfish. We're living life as good as it gets, we should be able to give up one luxary, especially with the knowledge that we have as far as faux meat, dietary supplements (not just vitamins, either. Soy for protien for example), and the lives and biological factors (such as pain and emotions) of the animals we use. And it wouldn't end mistreatment of animals either, but it's not to say that any other mistreatment would be turned a blind eye. Edit: Sorry for turning this into a vegetarian topic instead of the intended anti-fur / standing up for what you believe in topic.

Funny, Crusader, you talking about forcing others to do something. As if I'm forcing you to do anything at all. But the fact that you're complaining about being "forced" to, what I can only assume you mean is, listen to a different side of things while the other side is that animals are being forced (in the true sense of the word) to live horrendous lives is incredibly ironic. Don't ask questions if you don't want others opinions. And don't complain about other people trying to make a difference. And why not choose to do something to help out.